Take an hour over the new year and listen to Michael Bane talk about the birth of the new gun culture, a gun culture based on action shooting and concealed carry, not hunting and plinking.
Because you don’t know where you going unless you know where you’ve been.
Me, I keep wondering why there aren’t more pistol-caliber short guns out there on the market.
There’s the Hi-Point which suffers from being a Hi-Point, there’s the Kel-Tec Sub2000 which suffers from being a Kel-Tec and also cannot be found for purchase within the lower 48. There’s also the Taurus CT G2 which has yet to hit our shores, the Beretta CX4 Storm (which costs about the same as a dedicated 9mm AR), and all manner of lever action guns in all manner of calibers.
The Ruger LCP and LC9 proved that there was a market for upgraded and “name-brand” versions of guns inspired by Kel-Tec guns, and with the utter unavailiability of the Sub-2000 and the lack of competion in the carbine marketspace, maybe it’s time for Ruger to take a another look at the Ruger Police Carbine and update it for the 21st century with some rails and a folding stock.
And then steal their tagline from me again, of course.
I promise not to complain this time.
No, that is NOT the answer to “How does Exurbankevin like his women!”
Caleb kicked over a hornet’s nest talking about his dislike of cheap guns. Me, I’m ok with them. Sorta.
- Yes, sometimes, a cheap gun is all you can afford. At the first Arizona Bloggershoot a few years ago, the benches to the south of us were occupied with a bunch of locals who were havin’ a grand ol’ time shootin’ things up with a half-dozen Mosins, a few HiPoints, a Mossberg Maverick and a Taurus PT145.
They were being safe, so who am I to tell them not to have a good time just because their guns were cheap?
- Cheap guns are the gateway drug to expensive guns. Someone who shoots a cheap gun regularly will soon have it break on them, and that’ll be the end of cheap guns for them. Should they have bought an expensive gun in the first place? Probably, but maybe if they did, they wouldn’t have the money on ammo to make their cheap gun break: They’d have bought an expensive gun and never shot it. Which leads me to…
- Cheap guns allows for more training, and a good training regime can break cheap guns into little bitty pieces (ask Todd G about that). Given a choice between a newcomer buying a $300 Kel-tec, $100 of ammo and a $100 NRA Basic Pistol class versus a guy who buys a $450 Glock and shoots it only once a year, gimme the trained newbie with a cheap gun any day of the week.
There is a place for cheap guns, just like there’s a place for beater cars and cheap cameras.
If nothing else, a cheap gun is a life’s way of telling you that somethings are worth what you pay for them.
The votes are in, and when our accounting firm tallied up the votes (they’re the same ones Enron used, so you KNOW you can trust them…), one thing became clear:
The bloggers wanted to get together on Tuesday night, and the industry people wanted to meet on Thursday night. It’s like there was a big dinner for the industry people on Tuesday night or something…
So, why not do both?
Let’s meet at the Grand Lux Café in the Venetian on Tuesday at 7pm.
We won’t have Larry The Cable Guy, but we will have a Best “Git ‘er done” impersonation contest, the winner DOESN’T have to lick Jay G’s head.
The Café Lux has good food and because it’s not a “name” restaurant, decent prices. Since a lot of us haven’t met before, this is what I look like. Scary, isn’t it? If you need to get ahold of me, email is best, (kevin at exurbanleague.com) or follow me on twitter.
Then we’ll figure out what to do on Thursday night from there.
Looking forward to meeting all of you, some again, some for the first time!
Update: Larry Weeks from Brownells will be there, and Paul from Safety Solutions Academy as well.
Atter taking a long, hard look at my schedule, frequent flyer miles and budget, it looks like I’ll be able to make it to SHOT show and train for four days at Front Sight next month.
Looking forward to both.
SHOT, from everything I’ve heard, is gun nut Disneyland, and I’m looking forward to seeing what’s coming down the pipe this year. I won’t make the Media Range Day, but I might just be at a special 3 Gun Nation event that week…
Aside from NRA classes, i’ve not had any formal firearms training, and while Front Sight ain’t Gunsite (what is?), I’m excited to go and learn something new.
I’ve tried to stay neutral on the Truth About Guns v. Gunblog battle because I try to stay neutral on internet spats in general.
When you point your finger ’cause your plans fell through
You got three more fingers pointin’ back at you
I left this comment over at TTAG as a response to an incendiary article about who should and should not have the right to defend themselves.
“Short version of this article: “I’m ok, you’re seriously messed up”.
Slightly longer version of this article: “Look, I’ve had 20 people look at me cross-eyed, so I know I can handle a gun in an emergency. The rest of you can’t, and I know this because I am better at this than you are. Just ask me, I’ll tell you. And even though I give a great example of someone like you who handled things correctly, he’s the exception to the rest of you brain-dead schmucks. And he’s the exception because I say so. The rest of you guys can’t handle things as well as he did. So there.
Look, I understand that this site needs a certain amount of, ah, stimulating conversation, but some editorial oversight is necessary, lest TTAG become TMZ with guns.”
The problem is, that’s not how the article appears on the site: The critique (offered up in good faith) was edited out.
Editing out critical comments is a no-no. That’s Blogging 101. Heck, that’s covered in Remedial Blogging 090. Blogs are only effective when they listen to and respond to user comments. Blogs that don’t do this are echo chambers, not centers of honest discussion.
One of three things will happen in the next few days…
- I’ll get a profuse apology from the site owner, claiming that it’s not their policy to do such things and it happened without their knowledge and gosh darn it all we’re sorry.
- There’ll be a flame post show up that steals my banner graphic.
- This post will be ignored.
I’m ok with any of that. I do this for me, for the love of shooting, not to pay people and stir up hornet’s nests.
Update: Already got an email saying it was to halt any “digression” in the comments.
Sorry, but blog posts are for blog owners, the comments belong to we the readers.
For the record, blast away at me in the comments. I’ll only edit out harsh language, as I want to keep this PG-13.
They rely on pageviews, links, and search results to drive traffic. As such, I’m not visiting there, not commenting there, they’re gone from my blogroll, this is the the last time I’ll talk about about them and the link in this post is the last link TTAG will get from me.
I encourage others to do the same. After all, the best way to neutralize an SEO whore is to ignore him altogether.
Hi, my name’s ExurbanKevin, and I don’t like going to gun shows.
I bought my CZ75 at a gun show, and I went to another a few years back to drum up some side jobs, but other than that, I don’t particularly enjoy gun shows.
Guns are tools, and I can’t really see going to a show to look at tools. And no, I don’t like “Home and Garden” shows either. Also, I don’t like looking at things I won’t ever, ever, own. And although I’m as gergarious as the next ENFP, I don’t like the crush of crowds. And with the wide variety of online gun and gun accessory stores, there’s no real reason (for me) to go to a gun show. I’m not a collector and I’m not in the market for anything right now, so I don’t have an o’erwhleming need to go to gun show, both now and in the future.
So what does it actually cost to shoot on a regular (monthly) basis? I visited some of the indoor and outdoor ranges near me to find out.
My assumption is that you’ll go to the range and fire 50 rounds of ammo from a 9mm pistol at three different man-sized targets.
Ranges: Rio Salado Sportsman’s Club (outdoors), Ted’s Shooting Range (indoors), Caswell’s Shooting Range (indoors), Phoenix Rod and Gun Club (outdoors), Scottsdale Gun Club (indoors) and Shooters World (indoors). Ben Avery does not offer memberships and was left off this list, even though they’re one of the best ranges in the country.
Lane Rental: One person for one hour
Ammo: 50 rounds on 9mm FMJ. For ranges without ammo sales (PRGC, Rio), I used the price of a box of 9mm at my local WalMart.
Gun Rental: A 9mm pistol for one hour. For ranges without gun rentals, I used the cost of a typical quality 9mm pistol ($540) spread out over 12 months.
Membership: One year’s individual membership. Range memberships at Ted’s is for 14 months not a year, so I reduced the amount for comparison purposes.
|Just Visiting||Lane Rental||Ammo||Gun Rental||Monthly Cost||Yearly Cost|
|Ted’s Shooting Range||$14.00||$18.00||$9.00||$41.00||$492.00|
|Scottsdale Gun Club||$15.00||$14.00||$14.00||$43.00||$516.00|
|Phoenix Rod and Gun Club||$14.00||$13.00||$45.00*||$27.00||$864.00|
|With Membership||Lane Rental||Ammo||Gun Rental||Membership||Monthly Cost||Yearly Cost|
|Ted’s Shooting Range||$0.00||$18.00||$4.50||$260.00||$44.17||$530.00|
|Scottsdale Gun Club||$0.00||$13.00||$0.00||$380.00||$44.67||$536.00|
|Phoenix Rod and Gun Club||$0.00||$13.00||$45.00||$165.00||$71.75||$861.00|
So for just a couple hundred dollars more per year or so, memberships at Rio Salado or Phoenix Rod and Gun look like a real bargain, right? After all, that’s including your own gun into that price, and you can shoot rifles there out to 100 yards (and beyond), not just pistols
Not so fast.
First off, they’re outdoor ranges. Not bad now that temperatures in the Phoenix area are leveling off, but that sucks when it’s 115 degrees outside.
Secondly, both ranges have minimum distances you can set up targets, about 8 yards or so. Not a big issue for some, but if you’re trying to train a new shooter, it can get discouraging for them to shoot and shoot and shoot and not see decent groups on the target.
So which should you chose?
That depends on your needs. I have both: I’ve been a member at Rio for over 5 years. I like their public range, and I like the people. But I won a year’s membership to Caswell’s last year, and I’ve come to appreciate the comfort of indoor shooting and the convenience of reserving a lane in advance.
It comes down to what kind of a shooter you are. A public outdoor range membership is great for people who know what they want in a firearm and don’t need (or want) to try out new guns. However, indoor rental ranges are the perfect to get into the shooting sports. For less than $50 a month, you can try out many different firearms and find the one(s) that suit you best and lets you grow into firearms ownership at your pace.
Either way, there are no bad choices: The worst day at the range is still better than the best day in the office.